Atheism in Alcoholics Anonymous, with Bob K.

Atheism in Alcoholics Anonymous, with Bob K.

Bob K lives in Ontario, Canada, and has been sober in AA for 25 years.  He is a well-known AA historian and published author.  His book “Key Players in AA History” is a revealing account of the true stories behind the people who founded and developed Alcoholics Anonymous.
As an atheist activist in AA Bob as also a prolific contributor to the websites “AA Agnostica” and “AA Beyond Belief”.  He is well informed about the controversial developments in Toronto, where the local AA Inter Group threw out some atheist meetings who had revised the 12 steps by taking out all references to God.

Podcast with Bob K

Changing the 12 steps

Changing the 12 steps is something you just don’t do in Alcoholics Anonymous — but if the programme discriminates against atheists, how will the fellowship accommodate this?

I ask Bob what is it like as an atheist in North American AA meetings.  These are conspicuously more religious than the ones people attend here in the UK.  Most Canadian AA meetings begin with the Serenity Prayer and end with the Lord’s Prayer, for example, much like those in the United States.
We discuss the latest developments in the Toronto legal action and how it has, ironically, motivated a surge in atheist meetings in the area and given birth to important online resources that are now helping atheists in AA world wide.  This suit has real potential to cause resentment among AA traditionalists over the mounting legal costs, and its outcome may have longstanding international implications for the fellowship and it’s traditions.

History of AA and Bill Wilson

We also do some myth-busting about AA history.  There are many unchallenged falsehoods you still hear in meetings today.
AA’s founder Bill Wilson was a dedicated spiritualist who ran regular seances at his home and believed he could talk to ghosts.  He also experimented frequently with LSD, campaigned strongly for the use of niacin,  and was a huge support of other chemical assists in recovery.  Bill wrote about the need for “a methadone for alcoholics” and I’m sure he would have loved The Sinclair Method, but you won’t ever hear that shared in an AA meeting.
Another fellowship myth is that there was no help for alcoholics prior to foundation of AA.  That’s just not true. There were hundreds of successful sobriety groups, of all kinds, and Bob’s doing some great research on this.
Nor do you hear about some of the non-spiritual sources that inspired AA’s famous core text, “The Big Book”.  These include Richard Peabody’s one-time best-seller “The Common Sense of Drinking”, a huge inspiration on AA’s founders that has been entirely forgotten today.
This is not an “anti-AA” discussion. Bob and I both got sober in the fellowship and we’re both grateful for that.  Bob still attends regular meetings and believes strongly in the value of an active recovery programme.
However it remains a fact that AA membership numbers have flat-lined since 1992, during which time the population of North America has increased by over 30%.
Meanwhile secular AA is growing rapidly.  How will change come about? Is it just a matter of time and demographics?
“Key Players in AA History” is available via Amazon:
This episode was guest hosted by Jon Stewart. Thank you for the opportunity to contribute.
  • Leaving AA, staying sober: new perspectives on recovery | Leaving AA, staying sober.
    Posted at 01:38h, 26 February Reply

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  • Mitchell K.
    Posted at 04:01h, 30 July Reply

    Just a point of information. Mentioning Bill W.’s “experimentation” with LSD, leaves out one important fact – Bill’s use of LSD was under the care and direction of physicians within a clinical trial. To leave this out infers some sort of illicit use of what was considered at the time an experimental medication.

    Other than that I totally support anyone’s right to believe or not-believe in a power greater than themselves as they have come to understanding that definition within Alcoholics Anonymous. A.A.’s Traditions (long form) state that A.A. Membership ought never depend upon money or conformity.

    A.A.’s Concepts State A.A. World Services (AAWS) should never be personally punitive. In many areas, AAWS has been personally punitive against A.A. members for decades. In Toronto, Germany, Mexico and throughout the United States. By removing meetings because a different understanding, non-belief in a conformed interpretation denies help for Canadian alcoholics who are Atheists, Agnostics, Free Thinkers who want to attend meetings more suited to their ideas. A.A.’s Third Tradition says A.A. should be open to ALL who wish to recover from alcoholism, none should be refused. (Paraphrase)

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